{"id":38254,"date":"2015-07-14T19:08:59","date_gmt":"2015-07-14T09:38:59","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.fernbyfilms.com\/?p=38254"},"modified":"2015-07-14T19:08:59","modified_gmt":"2015-07-14T09:38:59","slug":"batman-and-the-joker-an-iconic-comic-book-bromance","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.fernbyfilms.com\/2015\/07\/14\/batman-and-the-joker-an-iconic-comic-book-bromance\/","title":{"rendered":"Batman And The Joker: An Iconic Comic Book Bromance"},"content":{"rendered":"<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-38264\" src=\"http:\/\/www.fernbyfilms.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/07\/Batman-The-Joker-Comic-Book-Bromance.jpg\" alt=\"Batman-&amp;-The-Joker-Comic-Book-Bromance\" width=\"984\" height=\"295\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.fernbyfilms.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/07\/Batman-The-Joker-Comic-Book-Bromance.jpg 984w, https:\/\/www.fernbyfilms.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/07\/Batman-The-Joker-Comic-Book-Bromance-300x90.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.fernbyfilms.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/07\/Batman-The-Joker-Comic-Book-Bromance-720x216.jpg 720w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 984px) 100vw, 984px\" \/><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">It must have been something of a surprise for fans of comic book movies to see the release this week of two trailers, one for <em>Batman V Superman<\/em>, the other for <em>Suicide Squad<\/em>, which starred two characters who &#8211; until now &#8211; have always shared screen time in the same film. Batman and his arch nemesis, The Joker, are about to star in their <em>own<\/em> films (although, if you watch the <em>Suicide Squad<\/em> trailer carefully, you&#8217;ll see Batman atop the Joker&#8217;s speeding car at one point) independently of each other; a first for cinematic depictions of both characters. It may seem like keeping the two apart devalues their inherent dynamic relationship, a little like having Laurel and Hardy appear in independent movies, but Warners, probably led by DC&#8217;s creative mavens, have taken the chance that Batman and the Joker don&#8217;t necessarily <em>need<\/em> each other for the characters to work.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><!--more--><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft  wp-image-38260\" src=\"http:\/\/www.fernbyfilms.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/07\/the_joker_and_batman_arkham_city_by_moonysascha-d4gvyp4-720x405.jpg\" alt=\"the_joker_and_batman_arkham_city_by_moonysascha-d4gvyp4\" width=\"620\" height=\"349\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.fernbyfilms.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/07\/the_joker_and_batman_arkham_city_by_moonysascha-d4gvyp4-720x405.jpg 720w, https:\/\/www.fernbyfilms.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/07\/the_joker_and_batman_arkham_city_by_moonysascha-d4gvyp4-300x169.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.fernbyfilms.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/07\/the_joker_and_batman_arkham_city_by_moonysascha-d4gvyp4.jpg 900w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 620px) 100vw, 620px\" \/>It&#8217;s safe to say that the Joker remains one of Batman&#8217;s most iconic adversaries. Comic book lore has built upon this since the character was first introduced in 1940, in the pages of Batman #1, and although various artists and writers have put their own stamp on the character, it&#8217;s within cinematic depictions that the role has taken on an almost mythic pop-culture significance. On screen, the Joker has been played in his familiar look by (to-date) four great actors &#8211; Caesar Romero famously refused to shave his mustache to portray the character in the 60&#8217;s <em>Batman<\/em> television series, while Jack Nicholson was a lock to take the crown in 1989&#8217;s <em>Batman<\/em>, directed by master of Gothic style, Tim Burton. Nicholson&#8217;s performance overshadowed the film to such a large degree he, like Marlon Brando in <em>Superman<\/em>, was larger than the titular hero, although Burton cannily allowed this domination to work for the story rather than ruin it.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Aussie up-and-comer Heath Ledger, who had recently been swirling about Academy Awards with his role in <em>Brokeback Mountain<\/em>, was cast as the Joker in Christopher Nolan&#8217;s gritty <em>Batman Begins<\/em> sequel,<em> The Dark Knight<\/em>, and there were many (myself included) who felt the actor was miscast or plain unable to wrest the character away from Nicholson&#8217;s towering performance. Of course, those fears proved unfounded, as Ledger turned in one of the most tragic performances of his career &#8211; he died while the film was in post-production, and would win an Academy Award for Supporting Actor posthumously, and remarkably became <em>the<\/em> Joker for an entire generation of filmgoers.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright  wp-image-38259\" src=\"http:\/\/www.fernbyfilms.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/07\/the-joker-batman-the-dark-knight-2912x4368-wallpaper_www.wallpaperno.com_72.jpg\" alt=\"the joker batman the dark knight 2912x4368 wallpaper_www.wallpaperno.com_72\" width=\"384\" height=\"576\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.fernbyfilms.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/07\/the-joker-batman-the-dark-knight-2912x4368-wallpaper_www.wallpaperno.com_72.jpg 420w, https:\/\/www.fernbyfilms.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/07\/the-joker-batman-the-dark-knight-2912x4368-wallpaper_www.wallpaperno.com_72-200x300.jpg 200w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 384px) 100vw, 384px\" \/>That was 2008 &#8211; cut to now, and the Joker has resurfaced on television, in the guise of Cameron Monaghan in Batman origin show <em>Gotham<\/em>, which is about to commence its second season later in the year. Parallel to that, and we have Oscar winner Jared Leto taking on the role in the upcoming <em>Suicide Squad<\/em>, the trailer for which debuted recently at Comic Con and online. While we&#8217;ve only seen Leto in photographs, and in about five seconds of footage in the trailer, it&#8217;s safe to assume that he&#8217;s going a different route to both Nicholson and Ledger, along the lines of one of comicdoms most famous depictions.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Batman, meanwhile, has enjoyed continued appeal since his debut in 1939, in the pages of Detective Comics #27. Multiple cinema and television ventures, as well as popular animated formats, have allowed Batman&#8217;s status as one of the preeminent heroes of our age to marinate and solidify in the public consciousness. Cinematically, Batman&#8217;s modern arrival came with 1989&#8217;s <em>Batman<\/em> (where Nicholson ripped the Joker as well), and spiraled down following <em>Batman Returns<\/em>, with Joel Schumacher&#8217;s lamentable <em>Batman Forever<\/em> and execrable <em>Batman &amp; Robin<\/em>, in 1997. Following a 8 year layoff, Christopher Nolan&#8217;s <em>Dark Knight Trilogy<\/em> gave us a truly grim and gritty take on the character, before the internet damn near exploded when it was announced that Ben Affleck would assume the role in Zack Snyder&#8217;s<em> Batman V Superman<\/em>. Recently, it was also announced that Affleck would write, direct and star in a new Batman<em> solo<\/em> film (tentatively known as <em>The Batman<\/em>), to release sometime before 2020.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">However, it&#8217;s in the comic books published by DC that the relationship between Batman and the Joker is <em>most<\/em> profound. While cinematic portrayals have been largely self-contained to within a single film, comics allows both characters to continually grow and develop through multiple storylines. Significant storylines involving the Joker have included &#8220;A Death In the Family&#8221;, the conclusion of which saw a public vote to either save or kill Batman&#8217;s sidekick Robin (Jason Todd, an unpopular replacement for the now-adult Dick Grayson everyone knew from the <em>Batman<\/em> television show) &#8211; the vote was to kill him &#8211; and the consequences of that event have echoed through the comic line ever since. <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft size-large wp-image-38261\" src=\"http:\/\/www.fernbyfilms.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/07\/5328a826bfb71c1b3b4ebcbe72129ba3-720x450.jpg\" alt=\"5328a826bfb71c1b3b4ebcbe72129ba3\" width=\"720\" height=\"450\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.fernbyfilms.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/07\/5328a826bfb71c1b3b4ebcbe72129ba3-720x450.jpg 720w, https:\/\/www.fernbyfilms.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/07\/5328a826bfb71c1b3b4ebcbe72129ba3-300x188.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.fernbyfilms.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/07\/5328a826bfb71c1b3b4ebcbe72129ba3-436x272.jpg 436w, https:\/\/www.fernbyfilms.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/07\/5328a826bfb71c1b3b4ebcbe72129ba3.jpg 1440w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 720px) 100vw, 720px\" \/>It would be 1988&#8217;s story, <em>The Killing Joke<\/em>, by Alan Moore (the writer of <em>Watchmen<\/em>) and Brian Bolland, that would utterly revitalize the character&#8217;s backstory and origin, and would influence the popular takes on the character we&#8217;ve seen depicted on the screen.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">The Joker and Batman share a symbiotic relationship, it must be said. The Joker <em>needs<\/em> Batman, as much as Batman needs an arch-nemesis. Batman&#8217;s &#8220;no killing&#8221; code has led him to become conflicted during the Joker&#8217;s many, many rampages, often driven to the point of hostile anger that while <em>he<\/em> can&#8217;t kill the Joker out of a moral right, the Joker&#8217;s insanity and madness make him almost <em>immune<\/em> to the carnage he wreaks on Gotham through sheer psychopathy. Readers have often wondered why Batman doesn&#8217;t just snap the Joker&#8217;s neck &#8211; as the body count rises through the Joker&#8217;s hideous plans, wouldn&#8217;t his death negate all the evil, sadness and horror forever more?<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Batman, meanwhile, is the polar opposite of the Joker &#8211; where the Joker is fueled by irrational impulses, Batman is steadfast and rational in his endeavors as a &#8220;detective&#8221;, deducing clues to solve crimes. This dynamic has often played out in comics, with a variety of writers bringing their own take on the duo, and a more recent storyline, &#8220;Death Of The Family&#8221;, saw a major rejig of the Joker&#8217;s appearance, even though it was clearly established that without each other, the characters become lesser for the absence. <em>Both<\/em> characters are born out of some tragedy &#8211; Batman&#8217;s is well known, while the Joker&#8217;s changes from writer to writer, from film to film &#8211; and both are contrasts in how to approach said tragedy within the human condition. The Joker represents a broken mind, a mind devoid of consequence, while Batman&#8217;s resolute, inscrutable training and intellect act as a counterbalance to the Joker&#8217;s mad plans.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright size-large wp-image-38258\" src=\"http:\/\/www.fernbyfilms.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/07\/D345A50023EE8A189281F808C428B0F7AC01F4C1-720x405.jpg\" alt=\"D345A50023EE8A189281F808C428B0F7AC01F4C1\" width=\"720\" height=\"405\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.fernbyfilms.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/07\/D345A50023EE8A189281F808C428B0F7AC01F4C1-720x405.jpg 720w, https:\/\/www.fernbyfilms.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/07\/D345A50023EE8A189281F808C428B0F7AC01F4C1-300x169.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.fernbyfilms.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/07\/D345A50023EE8A189281F808C428B0F7AC01F4C1.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 720px) 100vw, 720px\" \/>When people think about Batman and the Joker, they see them as something of an ultimate duo &#8211; Superman and Lex Luthor approximate similar ground in that sense, in that they both complement, reflect and defy each others traits and abilities and form a ying-yang sense of good versus evil. So to see both characters in separate films (again, not knowing everything about <em>Suicide Squad<\/em>, other than a &#8220;cameo&#8221; appearance by Batman himself, makes this assumption tacit on minimal interaction) is a surprise, although a welcome one. While both characters are immediately identifiable, and virtually a lock for audiences to connect with, how will they go apart from each other. Batman&#8217;s a given, really, because he&#8217;s been seen fighting other villains by the majority of the people, but does the Joker need Batman for validation in his character&#8217;s drive to cruelty? I think in this case, the Joker needs Batman more than ever, although I will say that I hope this isn&#8217;t how things pan out.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft size-large wp-image-38272\" src=\"http:\/\/www.fernbyfilms.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/07\/The_Joker_-_New_52-483x720.jpg\" alt=\"The_Joker_-_New_52\" width=\"483\" height=\"720\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.fernbyfilms.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/07\/The_Joker_-_New_52-483x720.jpg 483w, https:\/\/www.fernbyfilms.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/07\/The_Joker_-_New_52-201x300.jpg 201w, https:\/\/www.fernbyfilms.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/07\/The_Joker_-_New_52.jpg 496w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 483px) 100vw, 483px\" \/>Are modern audiences ready to accept The Joker without Batman? <em>Suicide Squad&#8217;s<\/em> &#8220;team-up&#8221; ensemble, with fellow DC villains like Captain Boomerang (don&#8217;t laugh), Harley Quinn (a relatively modern character who has become the &#8220;girlfriend&#8221; of the Joker), Deadshot and Killer Croc, will at least give the Joker somebody to spar with verbally, if not conflict with at a physical level, and I suspect the Joker&#8217;s inclusion will cause more fractures and unplanned plot twists than any other character would accomplish, but without Batman&#8217;s stature of heroism to bounce off, will the Joker merely be a clown in desperate need of a circus?<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">My immediate answer would be sure, the Joker can more than hold his own as a solo character, or a fellow villain in an ensemble world. Trouble is, the Joker is so established, so entrenched within Batman&#8217;s cinematic lore, he&#8217;s more likely to overshadow his fellow characters than shine alongside them. The Joker has become <em>such<\/em> an iconic character, I&#8217;m worried actors such as Will Smith, Margo Robbie, and even the great Jai Courtney (chuckle) won&#8217;t be able to drag the spotlight off the green-haired <em>uber<\/em>-villain. How David Ayer handles his version of cinematic dynamite remains to be seen (it&#8217;s a long haul between now and August 2016, when<em> Suicide Squad<\/em> releases) but my hope is that the Joker will finally break free of the cinematic ties he has with Batman, and can stand solo for a while. If any character deserves it, it&#8217;s the Joker.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Batman <em>needs<\/em> the Joker. The Joker <em>needs<\/em> Batman (possibly moreso). 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